Torah Teacher hosting this online Midrash: Jakov
- Will there be a rapture?
- If so, when will it be?
- Who will be part of the rapture?
- Do you see it literally or spiritually
- Will there be one or multiple raptures?
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A Rapture is factual as you cannot agrgue Scripture, the question is when...
ReplyDeleteTo quote a writer like Anthony and Richard Hanson’s book Reasonable Belief, “An event that has been just around the corner for a thousand years is a non-event. Thinking Christians should not behave as if the Parousia was a genuine possibility” (p.196).
ReplyDeleteThis type of thinking is real, even within, same Christian denominations!
and scary!
DeleteI've always been totally amazed at how some intellectuals try use the fact that the word "rapture" does not appear in the Bible as an argument against its validity. The issue should be whether or not the concept of the rapture appears in the Bible.
ReplyDeleteThe word "Bible" also doesn't appear in the Bible, does it moen it doesn't exist?
DeleteI have heard everything from pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib rapturits. But what is also part of the prophetic calendar equation is the next Exodus. How does it fit altogether? I have no idea.
ReplyDeleteNext Exodus??? All that I know is that there is a pre-tribulation rapture which, by all accounts and considering the state of the world as it is today is likely to happen very soon. I can only hope that we are all prepared and are observing the Torah, by which, I think, we will all be judged for partaking of the Rapture.
ReplyDeleteSensible point
DeleteThe Next Exodus:
DeleteJer 16:14 “Therefore see, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when it is no longer said, ‘יהוה lives who brought up the children of Yisra’ĕl from the land of Mitsrayim,’
Jer 16:15 but, ‘יהוה lives who brought up the children of Yisra’ĕl from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers.
Jer 16:16 “See, I am sending for many fishermen,” declares יהוה, “and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
Jer 16:17 “For My eyes are on all their ways; they have not been hidden from My face, nor has their crookedness been hidden from My eyes.
Jer 16:18 “And first I shall repay double for their crookedness and their sin, because they have defiled My land with the dead bodies of their disgusting matters, and have filled My inheritance with their abominations.”
Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.”1 Footnote: 1See Ps. 147:19, Isa. 2:3, Isa. 60:2-3, John 4:22, Rom. 2:20, Rom. 3:2, Rom. 9:4.
Jer 16:21 “Therefore see, I am causing them to know, this time I cause them to know My hand and My might. And they shall know that My Name is יהוה!”
Jer 23:7 “Therefore, see, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when they shall say no more, ‘As יהוה lives who brought up the children of Yisra’ĕl out of the land of Mitsrayim,’
Jer 23:8 but, ‘As יהוה lives who brought up and led the seed of the house of Yisra’ĕl out of the land of the north and from all the lands where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell on their own soil.”
Eze 39:25 “Therefore thus said the Master יהוה, ‘Now I am going to bring back the captives of Yaʽaqoḇ. And I shall have compassion on all the house of Yisra’ĕl, and shall be jealous for My set-apart Name.
The next Exodus part 2
DeleteEze 39:26 ‘And they shall have borne their shame, and all their trespass they committed against Me, when they dwell safely in their own land, with none to make them afraid,
Eze 39:27 when I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of the lands of their enemies. And I shall be set apart in them before the eyes of many gentiles.
Eze 39:28 ‘And they shall know that I am יהוה their Elohim, who sent them into exile among the gentiles, and then gathered them back to their own land, and left none of them behind.
Eze 39:29 ‘And no longer do I hide My face from them, for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Yisra’ĕl,’ declares the Master יהוה.”
Isa 11:16 And there shall be a highway for the remnant of His people, those left from Ashshur, as it was for Yisra’ĕl in the day when he came up from the land of Mitsrayim.
Isaiah 27:13 It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship YHVH in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.
Israel will be regathered from present worldwide dispersion. Elohim announced, I will signal for them. The term “signal” means “whistle” (as in gathering a swarm of insects; cf. Isa. 7:18) or “pipe” (as a shepherd using a reed pipe to gather his flocks; cf. Jud. 5:16). The latter meaning seems more appropriate in view of the shepherd/sheep imagery in the general context (Zech 9:16; Zech10:2-3; Zech11:4-16; Zech13:7).
Ezekiel 20:33–38
33 “As I live,” declares the YHVH Elohim, “surely with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out, I shall be king over you. 34 “I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out; 35 and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face. 36 “As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will enter into judgment with you,” declares YHVH Elohim. 37 “I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; 38 and I will purge from you the rebels and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the land where they sojourn, but they will not enter the land of Israel. Thus you will know that I am YHVH.
Zephaniah 3:18 “I will gather those who grieve about the appointed feasts— They came from you, O Zion; The reproach of exile is a burden on them.
There are 16 undeniable fact that a Pre-Trip must take place, what are your throughts on this?
ReplyDeleteSurely everyone wants to get an invitation to the 7 day wedding feast with the Groom, which is a type anhed shadow of 7 years during that period. The qusetion is, is everyone ready?
DeleteI am quite sure that the Rapture will take place before the 7 years of tribulation, else there is a quandary with those seven years. Where else do you see these seven years fitting in? One needs to understand the sequence of events from today onwards. The next event, according to my understanding, is the Rapture. Then there will be a period of about 18 months when the shambles caused by this event will be investigated by every policeman in the world. During this time, the Antichrist will be making himself known throughout the world with his amazing persona and eloquent speeches. He will be seen by many, including the Jews, Muslims and Christians, in many cases, as the Messiah.
ReplyDeleteHe will make a peace treaty with Israel and he, himself, will break this treaty in about three and a half years when he will move into the New Temple the Jews will build as part of the peace treaty and declare himself to be God. His allies, the Jews, Muslims and everyone else will then realise that it is not correct for him, as the believed-to-be Messiah, can now be God. So they try to assasinate him unsuccessfully.
This is when several things happen. The two witnesses appear on the scene. The mark of the beast is forced on the population. Refusal to accept this mark leads to death. Hell breaks loose and many people are murdered by the antichrist and his helpers.
At the end of the seven years of tribulation comes the battle of Armageddon and Satan is bound in chains for a thousand years.
Can you see anywhere else that the seven years wedding feast can take place and fit into things as neatly as during the seven years of tribulation?
Good argument Jakov
DeleteWho will be part of the Rapture? This has become a very contentious point amongst the churches. The reason for the Rapture is, as Y’shua told his disciples, that He will come to fetch His Bride. Many churches claim exclusive rights to this event and some individuals even claim that THEY will be the Bride because Y’shua will only have one Bride. To understand what will happen needs some understanding of the ancient Hebrew marriage traditions that were in effect during the time Y’shua spent on Earth.
ReplyDeleteA bride was selected for a young man by his father. The groom’s father and the bride’s father sorted everything out between them and, eventually, the selected couple got “betrothed”. This means that all the paper work was done and they got married under the “Chuppa”. During these negotiations the prospective bride is present. At the conclusion of these negotiations all three drink a glass of wine together. If she accepts the wine and drinks it, she has agreed to the marriage without the groom being present or asking her to marry him. (Many times the two would see each other for the first time when they are married under the “Chuppa”). A very big week long celebration followed during which they are treated like a king and queen. However, the groom would now return to his father’s house to erect a place, under his father’s supervision where they would spend their week long honeymoon. When his father was completely satisfied with the building (Which could take up to two years!), he would tell his son to go and fetch his bride.
The groom and his best friend (the best man) would, in the middle of the night, go to the bride’s house to fetch her (like thieves in the night). The best man would blow his shofar and shout for the bride to wake up and get ready. She would then join them and move into the erected building with the groom and then, for the first time, they would sleep together. Proof of her virginity would be displayed by the best man the next morning and from now on they will be known as a married couple.
The Rapture will happen along very similar lines. Those who are going to be Raptured will hear the voice of the Archangel followed by the sound of YHWH’s shofar and, in the blink of an eye, those being Raptured will be changed and they will meet with Y’shua in the air. From there they will be whisked off to Heaven where the Marriage Festival of the Lamb will be celebrated for seven years.
So who will the bride be? Any particular church? No. Any particular group of people? No. Any particular individual? No. The Bride of Y’shua will be Torah Observant Believers who are fully committed and ready, when He comes, and waiting for Him. Y’shua will not want a slutty bride full of sin. (The definition of sin is any transgression of the Torah). They will be from just about any country in the world and will be originated from the ten tribes of Israel who were dispersed throughout the world. He will come for the lost sheep of Israel.
The question arises about being ready for this event. Remember the tale about the ten girls waiting for Him, five of which fell asleep and were not ready? These five ran out of oil for their lamps (Torah light) and missed the boat, so to speak.
I pray Acts 3:21 comes speedily into fulfillment so that Believers can awake from their sleep...
DeleteAhmein and Ahmein!!!
ReplyDeleteIn Mathew 13:30 it says to let the darnel grow up with the wheat then first up root the darnel also known as tares and bundle it and burn it.
ReplyDeleteSo apply that to rapture. Do you want to be gathered up first?
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ReplyDeleteI have read your booklet and read the scriptures. I do not believe there will be a rapture! The redemption comes when all of Israel goes up to Israel and Jerusalem. When Messiah puts His feet on the Mt of Olives the doors will be closed. The snatching away will be the wicked, the righteous left behind because we were created for EARTH not the heavens.
ReplyDeleteCan we take Scripture literal when He says, "the reign of the [heavens] is like a man who sowed tov zera (good seed) in his field"?
DeleteI think it is very important to have a "re-considering" spirit. We DON'T know anything for sure, it is all speculation. We will do good if we reconsider our stances. I was pro-rapture but now, the scriptures and praying for truth has shown me otherwise.
ReplyDeleteThere can not be a rapture before the tribulation if we read the words of Yeshua in teaching this subject: "Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn". In this teaching of Yeshua we can clearly see that both tares and wheat will grow together to the harvest time at the end and then the tares will be gathered first and the wheat second. To me it is clear and simple in this teaching of the Master that both wheat and tares will grow together to the end, and there will be no harvest before the time. I also preached the pre-tribulation rapture before I got the truth about who Israel is !
DeleteScripture says clearly that we can not speculate! That is making our own interpretation. Deut 4:2; 12:32; Prov 30:6; Rev 22:18-19 says it is NOT allowed.
DeleteKobus and Izel, the reason why it is difficult to understand some prophecies, is because people do not take all Scripture in consideration (2 Tim 3:16) when searching for the truth, and not only read 1 passage and think everything is clear.
ReplyDeleteMatt 13:29-30 says explicitly (Job also explains it like this), praying to be left behind during the coming Great Tribulation, because the disobedient and unbelievers are going to the "oven of fire" first yes and those that are left behind after this Tribulation will enter into the 1,000 years with Y'shua.
The "First fruits" will be taken first, and they will be Raptured first, then will be the harvest of the whole field.
Or do you not believe in "First Fruits" first to your Creator, to show your gratitude to Elohim for what He gave to us by pouring rain onto your field for your harvest? Like throughout Scripture from Qayin and Hebel, where Qayin did not give his "best first fruit" to his Creator and Hebel gave his "first fruit" to Him, and he was blessed and Qayin was cursed.
Y'shua is coming for His "first fruits" FIRST then He is going to do the harvest my friends, binding the tares (unbelievers and disobedient) to burn and the wheat (believers in that difficult time) to be put away into His barn (Kingdom).
Hope it is clear enough.
If you do not believe in the First Fruits, the you do not believe in His Feasts, like the Babel and her harlot daughters.
The Feasts is a reality and His teaching out of it is enormous wisdom.
Shabbat shalom
A course will be presented on the Second Coming at Beit Kallah in Meyerton starting on Tuesday the 19th of Novemeber, all welcome to discuss their views
ReplyDeleteLook at the paterns in scripture, first Adam toiled and gave all the animals names, and when his work was finish, YHVH made him sleep and took from his side the provision for Eve. She was hidden inside his body. Rebecah was taken from Nahor (which means piercing) and covered herself at the end of her journey, on sight of Izaac. Sarah was hidden twice for the sake of her husbands life, likewise Rebecah was also hidden for the sake of her husband. Ruth was covered before she layed at Boaz's feet, Esther concealed her identity, for the sake of her people! Jacob had to conceal his identity to recieve the birthright blessing, David was brought out of Saul's house with two spears, Y'shua was pierced at the end of his life, after all the work was done and as Adam, from his body came the provision for his bride. The church, the body of Messiah, will yet again be pierced to bring out the Bride, quicly. The body of Messiah is the Church, and from there the bride will be taken, in the same pattern as that which is given in the old covenant. She is a mystery, a hidden bride!
ReplyDeleteTeacher, they all were "hidden" yes as the pattern is proving, but we have to continue that pattern till the end. All of them have been reveiled at the end, so will the "Bride" of the "Groom" also be revealed, it has to be as He has to know who His bride will be. If not, then He will be deceived just like Ya'acov has been deceived, and our Creator will not allow that to happen. We need to take all Scripture for knowledge and understanding. Ya'acov's father's life is a typology of the "Suffering" Messiah, where David's life is the typology of the "King" Messiah.
ReplyDeleteYes Levi, its true but if one is looking for typologies of the "hidden bride", or the "two part bride", Jacob is def a candidate and as for David, remember he was called beloved of the Lord, and that he loved the Torah. Y'shua also have the key of David and when He speaks with the church of philadelphia, He promises to keep them out of the hour of trail which comes upon the whole world, and yes he is also prototyping Messiah as King of Kings. But see also Saul's household as a prototype of the Church, the patern shows that David ( the beloved/bride) was taken out of the household (body of Messiah) with 2 spears, on 2 different occations. The first and second comming. First spear representing the birth of Eve, from Adam's side, and second spear representing the birth of the bride, also called a beloved in Songs of Salomon. The bottom line is that the Bride have been called to make herself ready, that is why the Ruach HaKodesh is making an international calling to believers to return to their hebraic roots, for in that lies the key of the beloved David. Torah!
DeleteThe seven year tribulation is bad eschatology and bad teaching to begin with. Read Daniel 9:27.again and understand that this is the Messiah as the anti-messiah does not and can not confirm any Brit. Yahshua was cut off in the middle of the last week of years. The continuous sacrifices were stayed. Yahshuah's earthly ministry lasted three and a half years. That is the middle of the week right there. So there is only another half week of years left. So all these teachers of seven year tribulation period are out to lunch. Sorry if I am too blunt. Shalom
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